Friday, January 18, 2008

Hillary

My daughter called me yesterday to see if I was going to see Hillary Clinton in Santa Barbara at her so-called "Town Hall Meeting" at UCSB (The local university). I hadn't heard Madame Hillary would be in town, but since the Barak Obama event turned out to be such a pleasant surprise, I thought why not? So I sprung my daughter from school, and off we went. I also phoned up hubby Harry at work and invited him along as well and although he is no fan of Madame H., he was game and said he would meet us there.Police and Security
When we were about 10 minutes away however, Harry called to say that it was impossible to get in. Being the eternal optimist, I decided to try anyway... and I thought it a bit odd that they weren't letting people in... wouldn't Hillary want to have the chance to speak to as many as possible? I still had the flawlessly organized Barak Obama event in my mind; they let everybody in and even let me take some nice pictures. Mr. Obama had bodyguards, as one would expect, but they were fairly low-key. As he arrived, he took the time to shake hands with those waiting along the railing, stopped and exchanged a few words here and there and was on the whole friendly and accessible. Likable.Barak Obama
Different story all together with Madame Clinton. Apparently, people had been waiting outside the venue for 3, 4 even 5 hours to hear Hillary, and when they opened the gates, the masses pushed their way through in sort of a survival of the fittest exercise, which resulted in many of those who had been waiting there the longest not even getting in! We ran into several of my daughter's schoolmates and their parents who hadn't gotten in and they had been there since 3:00 - for an event that started at 6:45. They said people just pushed them out of the way. Yikes.View of Hillary Clinton Through The Bars
Well you can't blame that on the Clinton campaign, right? I suppose... but it did dawn on me that the chosen venue was extremely small (basketball court size) when there was a stadium and a big concert hall right near by. They must have realized that there would be a crowd...right?

Hmm. So I asked a few of the police that surrounded the "Town Hall" whether it was possible to just take some pictures. I might well have asked them to sprout wings and fly, because the answer would have been somewhat similar. So we waited, hoping to catch a glimpse of Ms. Clinton as she arrived, and to listen a bit to her "conversation => monologue" over the PA system that was to suffice for the trampled masses left out in the cold. (And it was cold...in the 40s!)
Hillary Clinton at UCSB January 17th, 2008
So the thing got started, and we were listening and shivering outside, peeking through the window from afar, and I hear the woman who is introducing Ms. Clinton say something like blah blah "so the people in the overflow rooms can hear." Which I found to be a rather odd thing to say given that there were no overflow rooms, unless "OUTSIDE IN THE COLD" now counts as a room. (I later verified this with one of the campus security crew).

And then it hit me. This whole thing was staged just for the media. They (Hillary and campaign people) didn't give a rat's arse about the people who showed up to hear Hillary Clinton talk. She just wanted the whole thing to look good on camera.
Hillary Clinton at UCSB January 17th, 2008 - Again
We listened to Ms. Clinton speak for about 20 minutes, but by this time we were freezing and I was pretty fed up with listening to her go on about how she is going to spend everybody else's money, so we left. Besides, if she can't even be honest about the venue she is speaking in, who gives a potato about what else she is saying. What a phony!

My daughter, who is young and liberal, commented that she sounds like she is talking to small children when she speaks (i.e. condescending). I really hope you folks don't elect her to be president. If you want a democrat, vote for Obama. He is far more genuine.

My 2 cents.

RH

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13 Comments:

Anonymous kirsten said...

Nice to read an "insiders" view RH. There is an unprecidented interest here in the Uk regarding Obama. The media reports here are of a very charismatic, intelligent and forward thinking young man. Normally people here are not interested in American politics (we have enough trouble with our own!) but his popularity here is increasing all the time, and Hilary? I dont think anyone takes her seriously here.

19 January, 2008 14:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly, America is dying economically and socially and both Bush and Obama think that tax cuts are going to turn the economy around. You are in a sink hole economically your social policy is non-existant there is no safety net, the ground beneath you is going to give way and may have already started and your decision to vote is based on whether Mr Obama staged a 'nice' event or not!!!! Hillary is experienced, intelligent and her policies are substantial and will help to strengthen Americas social and economic base. Obama will hopefully make a great president one day and does come across well, he is a good showman but he has no experience and is not ready to be president. For goodness take an in-depth look at policy not showmanship.

22 January, 2008 14:26  
Blogger Retro Housewife said...

anonymous: policy talk won't do much good if it is all in theory. I am sure Hillary is quite the policy wonk...and would make a great adviser. Experience? 8 years as first lady. Maybe Nancy Reagan should run too! George Bush had lots of experience, do you like his performance?

I judged them both on the events, yes, because that was something that I could observe myself and did not have to rely on second, third, fourth hand information. I observed that Hillary Clinton invited people to come hear her speak, turned down a forum that would have been large enough to accommodate the people who waited hours to see her, did nothing to prevent a stampede from taking place, and then lied about the situation so that it would suit her needs.

Not only is this lousy organization, it says a lot about her willingness to lie at the drop of a hat. How do you expect her to run the country if she can't even turn out a decent event for a bunch of college students?

Not to mention that she is about as inspiring as a rug, and she is applying for a leadership position. Actions speak louder than words...

RH

22 January, 2008 15:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually RH she is doing pretty well at the moment so people clearly are inspired by her policies and I so desperately hope that America wakes up this time. Last time everyone thought George Bush was genuine because he was so funny and nice, a bit of self deprecation here a little joke there and not enough people saw through it. Whenever America is faced with real policy instead of superficial poorly thought out easy grab POPULAR solutions it runs a mile and there you go further down the road to disaster. I like Obama but he doesn't have the policies, he doesn't have what it takes yet. Hillary does.

22 January, 2008 16:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And furthermore RH, Nancy Reagen was not a politician in her own right. Are you really equating Hillary Clinton with Nancy Reagen just because both were married to an American president. This is verging on misogyny. You may not like Hillary but at least compare her with someone of equal standing. I would have thought that as a women you might say I don't like her I wont vote for her but good on her for getting up there and having a go.

22 January, 2008 16:53  
Blogger Retro Housewife said...

Yes I am comparing Hillary to Nancy because they were both married to a president. Certainly not because of shoe size.

How is that misogyny? At least Nancy Reagan knew her place. I would have said Jackie O, but she is still dead.

I don't recall Hillary having held public office before she was first lady? The fact that she was able to parlay her husband's name recognition into a seat in congress is nothing new...a la the second Mrs. Sonny Bono...for example...How's that for equal standing?

I doubt she would have made it that far if she had to work her way up through the ranks from a nobody.

22 January, 2008 21:12  
Blogger Retro Housewife said...

One more thing..as for the whole "good on her for having a go", I'll save doling out the "E" for effort and the smiley stickers for less important matters like running for Miss Rodeo or having the prize pig at the state fair.

Running for president is a different story. Just because her husband was president, doesn't mean she is qualified. You are confusing arrogance with capability.

If Bill Clinton had been a brain surgeon, would you let Hillary operate on you?

RH

Are you a Boomer, BTW?

22 January, 2008 21:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nancy Reagan knew her place??? How disappointing. I thought this was a place that valued both the old and the new in the life of a women. Nancy Reagen was a women of very little substance full stop. She knew her place?? She was neither intelligent nor was she informed, educated or even sensible. Hillary Clinton has established herself in her own right and is a respected politician. She could never have achieved that just by virtue of the fact that she is married to Bill. You belittle her and use totally inappropriate comparisons and frankly you are a misogynist if you really think that she should 'know her place'. Thankfully there are many people out there who are informed and see that Hillary offers something substantial and I hope she wins and becomes the first female president.
And no I am not a boomer, I am a relatively young mother of 4, educated and a housewife. I believe that for a country to be healthy it needs good social policy and health care, I despair at Bush' push into Iraq, I despair at Bush' goading of Iran and I despair that America cant vote for someone committed to good policy. Finally I despair that Americans still comment on Hillary's hair, her lack of femininity and now that she doesn't know her place.

22 January, 2008 22:48  
Blogger Retro Housewife said...

In short, you would let Hillary operate on your brain.

How about this one...if Bill Clinton were an airline pilot, and Hillary wanted to fly the plane TOO! Would you board the plane? I am talking a big plane..with lots of buttons and flashy lights. Would you fly the friendly skies with Hillary at the helm? Lets assume her flying skill set is similar relative to her husband.

I don't know if you have noticed or not, but Hillary's resume is mostly filled with extended stints as "First Lady".

"Hillary was raised in a middle-class family in the middle of America. From that classic suburban childhood in Park Ridge, Illinois, Hillary went on to become one of America's foremost advocates for children and families; an attorney twice voted one of the most influential in America; a First Lady of Arkansas who helped transform the schools; a bestselling author; a First Lady for America who helped transform that role, becoming a champion for health care and families at home and a champion of women's rights and human rights around the world."

This is what I would call a "Fluff" resume. Can you verify any of it? I understand she is a good lawyer, but how can you measure the success of championing this and that?

And only a dumbass would "fight to provide compensation to the families of the victims" of Sept. 11th, since people were falling over each other to donate money to the victims. Instead of fighting, she should have just handed it out.

Plus the policies that you mention are completely pie-in-the-sky.

Like how she is going to provide health care for everyone and legalize all the illegal immigrants and give them health care too? It is utter BS.

Also, anyone who tells you we are leaving Iraq anytime soon is lying to you. It is more likely that we will be bombing the hell out of Iran.

Finally, how well do you know Nancy Reagan to judge how intelligent she is? By knowing her place, I meant she was smart enough to know that it was her husband who was elected, not she.

Have a nice flight!

RH

22 January, 2008 23:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Really RH you really are a very silly housewife indeed.

23 January, 2008 13:36  
Blogger Retro Housewife said...

Silly? Typically when people start name calling it means they have run out of arguments. You never even answered my questions! Don't tell me you had the surgery already!

RH

23 January, 2008 14:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well that is true I have run out of answers to extremely silly and irrelevant questions and comments.

24 January, 2008 16:29  
Anonymous Nancy the Romancechick said...

RH,

I've been away from blog reading for some time but it's nice to come back and read your well thought out, intelligent responses to someone who is too cowardly to even put his/her name to the comments. It's a typical liberal thing to do, as well as not answering the questions.

I wouldn't elect Hillary dog-catcher based on her political record. I can't find anything she's done other than insult those of us who choose to stay home and raise our children (a pretty "trivial" thing to do, I guess, compared to being elected senator).

I agree that her "experience" is just from being married to the President, and you know, my husband has a PhD in physics and I wouldn't want me to try to explain rotating black holes to someone, but, by golly, I was with him every second of grad school and beyond!

03 February, 2008 17:41  

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